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The topic for last week's mailbag was: Space Time Conundrum - Would Earthbound be better or worse if it didn't have time travel? If Giygas wasn't striking from ten years in the past, if Buzz Buzz didn't come in from ten years in the future, would you still be playing the game today? Or would we all be talking about Chrono Trigger instead? I have to admit, I'm a bit of a time travel fiend, so don't take it personally if I shred your theories to bits. |
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Yes, Earthbound can be worse without time travel. First off, if Ness and his team didn't notice there was an imminent threat coming towards their planet, they would be caught off guard and be taken over right away! Besides that I think Giygas is probably attacking from the past. And then, how would Buzz Buzz appear 10 years FROM the future if Giygas is attacking 10 years TO the future (so to speak)? Buzz Buzz came from 200x, Giygas 198x. Or something like that. But then how is Giygas attacking planet Earth 20 years in the future if he's stuck in the 80's? Ninten and his 'clique' would have beaten Giegue by then!
- EarthBoundFan2004  I want to start by addressing the Giygas issue right off the bat. EBFan wrote, "I think Giygas is probably attacking from the past." The italics in that quote were added by me to illustrate how EBFan left himself a weasel exit in case anyone could prove him wrong, which also means he wasn't 100% sure. Now, I am 100% sure, which is why I've grabbed these screenshots to clue the rest of you in.
So there you have it, he's definitely attacking from the past. I may have confused a couple of you by specifying that it was ten years in the past, which I now further assure you it isn't; the exact date Giygas attacks from is never specified. Anyway, to defend the past-attack concept: there are two schools of theory in the field of temporal effects on the future. One says that even the smallest change in the past will cause horrendous changes in the future. This theory requires you to think about butterflies in Tokyo and the consequences thereof and I don't like it. The other theory says that it takes monumental changes in the past to bring about a change in the future. I like this theory much better, because it makes things like Chrono Trigger and Back to the Future that much simpler to work out. So what I figure Giygas is doing in the past is figuring out ways to create influence and change circumstances so that he has greater control in the future. By blowing him away - a big change - you end his influence, only in such a way as to not erase the memory of his influence, which is now locked forever into the timespace. Something like that. Hey, I'm a Mailbag staffer, not a temporal physicist. --- SimonBob |
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Dear fellow Starmen,
I've been wondering: in Earthbound, what are the main characters' full names? I know for the game that Jeff is Jeff Ardonauts and Paula is Paula Polestar, but they don't say anything about Poo's or Ness's last names. Please help! - cottonmouth Poo is a prince, so he doesn't need a last name. Sometimes I give him the note sign as a name and call him "The Prince formerly known as Poo." Ness's last name is a topic that's been debated over the ages; I wrote an article about it once. Submit Articles! Make PappyCat do some work! We've already lost enough Article staffers this way! --- SimonBob |
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Wait a minute, Giygas was striking from the past? I always thought you traveled to the future at the end. Why else would we be in robot form. In the future the world is controlled by robots rather than humans. It would make more sense if Giygas was in the future. If Ness and his friends traveled to the future in their human forms they would not blend in well, and the robots would throw them in jail. If they traveled back in past, wouldnt they end up in Podunk town or something. Im beginning to confuse myself. They should have left out time travel and had Giygas hide out out in Ness' Mom's room. I looked for hours and was unable to find it. Where else does Ness' Mom sleep? The table? I know it looks comfortable but what would she use for a pillow? I mean, wouldnt that be a great ending. Ness would have gone around the world only to find out that Giygas is hiding in his moms "secret" bedroom.
- Bane Yes, Giygas was striking from the past! Although I like your idea about Ness travelling to the future disguised as a robot to avoid detection. Are any PK Hackers reading this? I've got your next project here! And as far as you know, that is Ness's mom's room. The gooey floor that looks like intestines? Yeah, she doesn't really clean it up too often. --- SimonBob |
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Well, I say yes. If there wasn't time travel, it just wouldn't be a challenge to gewt to gigyas and have that cool "soul leaving body" thing at the end. We would all be talking about Chrono Trigger alright. I also think that in Mother 3, the original idea was that Pokey is the pig king, and you are time travelling to stop him, and I believe that Ness, or a descendant of Ness, was intended to be found later in the game.
- Tre So everything in the Mother series is connected by a series of time travel moments? Maybe the guy on the phone with his back to you at the end of EB0 is actually Rufus! Excellent! --- SimonBob |
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Of COURSE three letters in one week! I like writing letters to you! Over Thanksgiving I went to my cousins' house and we had lots of fun. I ate 2 and a half pies in one sittting!! We made labels for the alcoholic beverages they were funny things like "This is fattening" and "The liver is evil, it must be punished"! We had a lotsa fun. Wish you and Reidsy could have been there.
Did you do anything fun? We also made lots of pictures of reidman. We drew him as a QVC host, an angel, a doctor, and espianage agent, and there was one with reidsy standing looking embarassed and I was by him and I had my hands clasped and hearts in my eyes. It was very funny and my aunt liked the last one best. I think that I liked the QVC host one the best. He was saying "lie. lie, lie, lie, lie" and the caller (the testimonial callers that call in on QVC) said "I woud like to see you wearing that dress" because he was trying to sell a dress. We made an RPG on RPG Maker and the main character was reidman. In his house we made every item say mean things like the clock said "You look at the clock but you can't tell time!! Hahaha!" and the stove said "You poked the stove and you burned your finger! You're such an idiot!!" but of couse it was all in jest as I love reidsy with all of my heart. Have you ever 'stalked' someone? Everyone I know says that I'm stalking reid but I'm not really. I've just been gathering information and obsessing over him for 2 years. Not really stalking. Although I would like to visit him in Indiana. My friend at school says that I'm the creepiest person alive! He made up radman, reidman's evil twin. It's pretty funny!! Well I guess that's all I have to say for now. Love ya! Gloob Your Thanksgiving was my Not Thanksgiving since I'm one of those weirdo Canadian freaks. Pass the Beavertails, eh? --- SimonBob |
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Well without time travel Buzz-Buzz wouldn't go back in time to tell Ness his mission as the chosen one of four so Giygas will rule the world and Earthbound would not have been made. And we will all not be together and you will be out of a mailbag job SimonBob. And without you life is boring. :(
Tenopii It's entirely possible that Ness could've found the Sound Stone in his sock and intuitively figured out how to save the world himself, but I guess that wouldn't be cohesive enough for me to hold this job down. Hm. --- SimonBob |
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Dear Mailbaggers,
I'm going ON & OFF Topic. Its a amazing trick I learned in school. (On topic)I really don't care if Giygas was right next door to Ness or if Buzz-Buzz came 5 minutes in the future. I would play it anyways because its a great game and I'm in Love with Master Belch. So I wouldn't care if Ness was the villian and we had to play Pokey...No..wait then I'll freak out. (Off topic) About the Mother3 update I want to know if you guys know if its a sequal OR A entirly new story that relates nothing to Mother2? Thanks for listening and I bet you look good in a thong. - Zock Endland No. No I do not. Moving on. I think Mother 3 will be as good as, if not better than, Duke Nukem Forever. Seriously? I have no idea where to begin speculating about what the game will be like. I guess we were all expecting a sort of sequel, but it's been a looong time since then, and stuff can change, you know? Itoi might've had a revelation and decided that the hero of the game should be a shoe salesman. Collect fifteen sneakers for a bonus to HP! (Seriously, Itoi, if you're reading this and doing that... go back to the drawing board, man.) --- SimonBob |
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I just want Mother 1+2 here in American... in English
- Jeremy Ask Annual Gift Man for it! --- SimonBob |
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Actually, I don't think time travel is a major issue in EarthBound, it plays out in the beginning and end of the story, but the larger part of the plot occurs in the present, without any time-hopping (time lapsing is not the same thing) thats in games like CT (LiveALive is a little more tricky, IMO).
Which reminds me, I don't think the fight with Giygas actually happens in the past. Rather, Giygas was inside a relativity cloud that existed outside normal time/space slightly in the past because things occured slightly (haven't devoted much thought in the magnitude) slower than normal time/space inside Giygas' time/space. It really makes alot of EB's "plot holes" a non-issue. I'd write an article about it, but I've been meaning to use it in a fanfic, and I'd write that fanfic, but I want to play EBO through first, and I'd do that, except I don't have a computer, or perhaps I've been absentmindedly lazy about the whole project. - Casgair I'll tell you ahead of time, EB0 has nothing in the way of time travel. And technically, if Giygas's spacetime is travelling slower than ours, then it's moved behind us - into the past, in other words. So in either case, I think "attacking from the past" is appropriate. I like your idea though. --- SimonBob |
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Hey there. I'm just lookin' for a wave file of that satisfying "ok-desu-ka" sound or whatever it is - that I'll be able to download. :P Can anyon help me out? Much obliged.
- Skerrcrow I'll ok YOUR desu-ka! Seriously, I love this site, there's so much awesome stuff. --- SimonBob |
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